People don’t like hearing this but it was wise to cut that from a financial view. I’ve found that parents are extremely fickle about things like that in kids films. I actually think that’s a big reason Lightyear flopped. Damn near every couple with kids I know refused to take their kids to it specifically due to that, my sister and in law included. And most of these people ain’t MAGA or alt right or whatever either, I know for a fact a few of them are actually blue voters.
Hell my bisexual ex actually said she wasn’t comfortable with her Toy Story loving nephew watching it(Lightyear) because neither she or her (also bi) sister were ready to explain those types of things to him yet.
MarkCuckerberg69420 on
Wow, that’s brutal. I get Doctor’s point but no need to run Molina through the mud like that.
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Wise-Locksmith-6438 on
It’s the anti woke grifters fault they deserve to be silenced the stupid super fan focus groups idea for Hollywood does not help at all
KingMario05 on
Fucking Christ, Docter. Right financial move or not, at least have some tact about it.
JannTosh70 on
Harsh but true. The main audience for these
Movies are kids and families. Not the “Disney adults”.
TheWorriedCamel on
I prefer Inside Out and Soul to therapy, but what do I know?
White-hammer-69 on
He could’ve addressed that in so many ways without sounding like a hateful bigot
All that media training and he comes off sounding like a maga diehard
starmaxeros on
So should we remove Black, Asian, Latino representation too? Disabled people? Are kids ready to talk about different skin colour and disability? Or he hates just LGBT community? Double standards? Is saying to a kid that some boys love boys and some girls love girls that hard for parents?
firedforthatblunder on
After so many people bitched about Lightyear having two seconds of women kissing in it (or to a lesser extent, Onward having a lesbian cop in it) are we really surprised that they didn’t want to tackle an entire gay storyline?
Pixar also cut a transgender storyline out of their Disney+ series “Win or Lose” last year. Sadly, this is nothing new.
Unusual-Ad7000 on
Teaching kids it’s ok to be themselves is hard. It’s even harder when a crush they may have on someone is of the same gender.
Having a movie telling them it’s ok to be yourself without fear is a moral lesson films will always teach throughout time.
But when it comes to love or identity, will it always have to be straight?
For Elio, I think the decision to cut it was wise in relation to its story because I don’t think its analogy would come across well.
But films like Nimona prove it can work, and I don’t see how any of this can truly be controversial other than just bigotry.
dremolus on
Imagine saying “we don’t make therapy” after you yourself made a movie about handling emotions and the studio you’re a CCO had their biggest ever film literally about handling anxiety.
I’m just saying, I have relatives who are Psychologists who use Inside Out as a reference point to teach basic concepts.
thedelisnack on
Didn’t he literally direct a movie about a teenage girl and how she dealt with her emotions? Implications aside, what a completely tone deaf thing to say.
Straight-Reindeer356 on
While I think this pivot was obvious with all the rumours and stories coming out about internal policy change at Pixar. I think to talk publicly about it in this manner is just a net loss. Molina who by all accounts was making a story that was close to him and was super passionate about it already lost his movie, to talk about it in this way feels like a low blow.
andalusiandoge on
The most charitable read I can give his comments is that he might have been calling Pixar’s more personal movies therapy for their creators and a homophobic writer for a right-wing paper chose to take that line out of context to make it look like he was calling LGBTQ characters cause for kids needing therapy. And even that’s… not great (and if he doesn’t do some sort of damage control interview clarifying this soon, it looks like he’s just homophobic).
ednamode23 on
Oh the irony of this coming from the man who directed the two Pixar films that are literally the closest movies out there to going to therapy.
Kimber80 on
Appreciate the blunt honesty
GoodShitBrain on
Pete Docter sucks
The_Darman on
*Elio* still tanked at the box office so I hope removing something that might have felt meaningful to some part of the audience was worthwhile.
Intelligent_Oil4005 on
Sheesh. I appreciate the honesty but that kind of feels like kicking Molina when he’s already down lol
popcornmaxhine on
This is Pixar’s fault. As it mentions in he article, they began making films based on “personal experiences” from childhood stories. It’s why so many recent films, like Onward, Luca, Turning Red, Coco, and Elio had teen/child protagonists as opposed to past films that only featured adult protagonists.
So they encouraged their directors to dig deep and draw from their own childhoods and now they are complaining “this is a movie, not therapy.”
For the record, I agree that I don’t think this strategy is really working. Coco was a great film. Everything else wasn’t really as strong as their past work. During early test screenings for Elio, they asked the audience if anyone would watch it, and not a single person raised their hands. Probably would have been a dud either way
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Gonna repost what I said yesterday:
People don’t like hearing this but it was wise to cut that from a financial view. I’ve found that parents are extremely fickle about things like that in kids films. I actually think that’s a big reason Lightyear flopped. Damn near every couple with kids I know refused to take their kids to it specifically due to that, my sister and in law included. And most of these people ain’t MAGA or alt right or whatever either, I know for a fact a few of them are actually blue voters.
Hell my bisexual ex actually said she wasn’t comfortable with her Toy Story loving nephew watching it(Lightyear) because neither she or her (also bi) sister were ready to explain those types of things to him yet.
Wow, that’s brutal. I get Doctor’s point but no need to run Molina through the mud like that.
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It’s the anti woke grifters fault they deserve to be silenced the stupid super fan focus groups idea for Hollywood does not help at all
Fucking Christ, Docter. Right financial move or not, at least have some tact about it.
Harsh but true. The main audience for these
Movies are kids and families. Not the “Disney adults”.
I prefer Inside Out and Soul to therapy, but what do I know?
He could’ve addressed that in so many ways without sounding like a hateful bigot
All that media training and he comes off sounding like a maga diehard
So should we remove Black, Asian, Latino representation too? Disabled people? Are kids ready to talk about different skin colour and disability? Or he hates just LGBT community? Double standards? Is saying to a kid that some boys love boys and some girls love girls that hard for parents?
After so many people bitched about Lightyear having two seconds of women kissing in it (or to a lesser extent, Onward having a lesbian cop in it) are we really surprised that they didn’t want to tackle an entire gay storyline?
Pixar also cut a transgender storyline out of their Disney+ series “Win or Lose” last year. Sadly, this is nothing new.
Teaching kids it’s ok to be themselves is hard. It’s even harder when a crush they may have on someone is of the same gender.
Having a movie telling them it’s ok to be yourself without fear is a moral lesson films will always teach throughout time.
But when it comes to love or identity, will it always have to be straight?
For Elio, I think the decision to cut it was wise in relation to its story because I don’t think its analogy would come across well.
But films like Nimona prove it can work, and I don’t see how any of this can truly be controversial other than just bigotry.
Imagine saying “we don’t make therapy” after you yourself made a movie about handling emotions and the studio you’re a CCO had their biggest ever film literally about handling anxiety.
I’m just saying, I have relatives who are Psychologists who use Inside Out as a reference point to teach basic concepts.
Didn’t he literally direct a movie about a teenage girl and how she dealt with her emotions? Implications aside, what a completely tone deaf thing to say.
While I think this pivot was obvious with all the rumours and stories coming out about internal policy change at Pixar. I think to talk publicly about it in this manner is just a net loss. Molina who by all accounts was making a story that was close to him and was super passionate about it already lost his movie, to talk about it in this way feels like a low blow.
The most charitable read I can give his comments is that he might have been calling Pixar’s more personal movies therapy for their creators and a homophobic writer for a right-wing paper chose to take that line out of context to make it look like he was calling LGBTQ characters cause for kids needing therapy. And even that’s… not great (and if he doesn’t do some sort of damage control interview clarifying this soon, it looks like he’s just homophobic).
Oh the irony of this coming from the man who directed the two Pixar films that are literally the closest movies out there to going to therapy.
Appreciate the blunt honesty
Pete Docter sucks
*Elio* still tanked at the box office so I hope removing something that might have felt meaningful to some part of the audience was worthwhile.
Sheesh. I appreciate the honesty but that kind of feels like kicking Molina when he’s already down lol
This is Pixar’s fault. As it mentions in he article, they began making films based on “personal experiences” from childhood stories. It’s why so many recent films, like Onward, Luca, Turning Red, Coco, and Elio had teen/child protagonists as opposed to past films that only featured adult protagonists.
So they encouraged their directors to dig deep and draw from their own childhoods and now they are complaining “this is a movie, not therapy.”
For the record, I agree that I don’t think this strategy is really working. Coco was a great film. Everything else wasn’t really as strong as their past work. During early test screenings for Elio, they asked the audience if anyone would watch it, and not a single person raised their hands. Probably would have been a dud either way