Is that why all the Geese fans are upset about it?
Ok-Classroom5548 on
She’s sexualizing looking like a child.
She doesn’t need that image and it’s concerning to a grown adult female presenting person like me.
I am no bot.
TopsyOxy on
Mind you in the article they determine they couldn’t determine it was bots lol.
There was 4-5 articles released, within the same hour, on this topic defending her. Her teams paid good money. Cosmopolitan even changed their twitter profile picture to a doll version of her.
Throughout the various articles they claimed mini dresses as babydoll dresses and dragged other female celebrities into the mix. She’s not giving Courtney Love in the 90s nor fighting against 1950s women’s patriarchy.
I think an adult women wearing bloomers and touching herself in a floral extra short babydoll on stage is weird and many other people did too. People are sensitive, and hyper alert, towards marketing rn because of everything that has been exposed in politics and media rn. They have the right to.
nagidrac on
It doesn’t give me bot behavior, tbh. Some of the concern / criticism does feel genuine, and one of those fits did look like children’s PJs. However, there’s a large part of it that feels like it’s fans of other artists blowing this up in the name of fan wars (Billie Eilish is dealing with the same crap right now).
annnyywhooo on
the influx of (obviously pr) stories defending olivia wearing a babydoll dress is crazy. not everything is bots, i witnessed in real time fandoms start up this discourse which has gotten us to this point. a lot of it IS fandom wars
but also let’s honest babydoll dresses can be cute but you have to be careful because it’s very easy to look like a grown woman wearing toddler clothing. and ngl olivias spotify performance kinda gave that. and no, olivias recent style is nothing in comparison to courtney love or allison wolfe 😭
Gildedfilth on
The dresses don’t bother me; I completely get the Courtney Love and 1970s influences.
What bothers me is the deliberate showing of the really short bloomers, because that really is a garment that is associated with very young children. I know bloomers are trending, but when it’s bloomers AND a babydoll dress AND “flashing,” it’s just way too juvenile.
mermaidmotels on
why does it feel like every outlet has released an article defending this (and completely missing the point) in the past 24hrs…smells like pr..
CloveFan on
It feels almost insulting to use “it was a bot smear campaign!!”, something we know happened to Amber Heard and probably Blake Lively and caused incredible harm, to cover your ass from bad press. Bots are not being used to slander your album, people just genuinely hated it. They’re not being used to trash your dress, people just have opinions.
thoph on
Counterpoint: it does not.
Bellesdiner0228 on
I was really excited for this album, I became a fan after guts and I like seeing the fervor of new music excitement. I thought some choices around the wall painting were a little ill thought out, but nothing major especially once I saw the album cover which I loved. Then I made the mistake of watching the drop dead MV first and it turned me off the song for a bit because I really disliked the video partially because of the outfit, and partially because the video felt like a missed opportunity. And it felt like the roll outs just gone down hill since then. The dresses are uncomfy for me, the weird post about how to game the system, I’m not a big fan of the variant discourse but I will say hers feels egregious.
This weekend when the Spotify billions performance popped up I finally decided to ask my husband what he thought. I haven’t told him any of the discourse because it wasn’t a big deal and so I wanted to get his reaction to that performance. He immediately asked what the hell was going on and said he didn’t feel comfortable with it. At a certain point it’s not just bots. It’s people’s real feelings especially in the modern climate we live in.
AgentBrittany on
The babydoll dresses are fine. But can someone from her camp explain why she continually raises her dresses to show off her ruffled bloomers?
I’m not a bot, just a 43 year old woman who is tired of other grown women trying to look like sexy babies.
neuroticdreamgirI on
Her fans spent a year calling Sabrina Carpenter a pedo-baiter for this exact look so this “bot” excuse just isn’t going to cut it. If anything her fans incessant need to fan the flames against Sabrina led to or at least heavily contributed to this
Now I don’t think either woman necessarily deserve backlash over this but it’s interesting that there was never this much blatant PR defense for Sabrina when she was facing the same criticism, if not more so, for a much longer window
emptyheadeddumbfuck on
It’s just the modern equivalent of the satanic panic that occurred in the 80s or the Illuminati conspiracies that was popular in the 2010s. Now cause of Epstein and the drake and Kendrick beef people are obsessed with accusing every and anyone of being a pedophile or catering to pedophiles (sexy baby). It’s really annoying and stupid
Woopsied00dle on
I mean, I’m certainly not outraged, but infantilization makes me ~very~ uncomfortable. I am not a bot. And I do love Olivia Rodrigo. I have no beef with her, but with her management team.
Finalsaredun on
It’s not the dresses. It’s the bloomers. Whoever on her team is styling her for this album cycle is a moron.
Being critical of this isn’t bot behavior. Is it online behavior? Sure. Your average person watching the performances or the MV to “Drop Dead” probably doesn’t have much of an opinion about it. But fans and folks online are calling out the poor styling with good reason.
“Drop Dead” is a fucking banger and filmed in *Versailles* of all places… Absolutely amazing. Yet her outfit keeps it from being a truly amazing MV. I can’t enjoy the it without constantly thinking about how bad her outfit is.
PrudentBell5751 on
Wearing girly clothes ≠ trying to appease pedos.
This is regressive and feeds into misogynistic views towards women’s style choices
ben121frank on
My potentially hot take here is that I don’t have an issue with the dresses for “sexualizing childhood” or whatever people are claiming, I just think they’re ugly lol
Honestly they don’t even look childish at all to me, they remind me of old lady (and old timey) nightgowns more than anything. And obviously pedophilia is a huge and serious issue but I feel like a lot of the “internet activism” around it has reached the point of doing more harm than good, like people last week calling Laufey’s (also ugly imo but perfectly age appropriate) dress “pedo bait”
candidu66 on
No we are just all over the “sexy baby” schtick…. minus Sydney Sweeney
MysticalNinja187 on
This feels like the industry doing what they did during the Drake/Meek + ghostwriting stuff came out in 2016
The industry likes to protect it’s high-return investments and it’s doing that here with Olivia
Mamaofoneson on
Raise your hand if you’re not a bot and you don’t like “sexy baby” fashion ✋
Ill_Discussion7528 on
Not everything is bots. Some people just genuinely don’t like her outfits.
agawl81 on
I saw the outfit in a post here and independently felt uncomfortable with the juxtaposition of the very young coded outfit and the sexualized moves.
Thirty years ago no one would have blinked. But now we’re holding men who groom and abuse teen girls accountable and it just seems in poor taste. A slightly different cut in the outfit or a different stage move and it would be fine.
My issue with it is very specifically the combination of the two.
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Not everything is automatically bots.
Is that why all the Geese fans are upset about it?
She’s sexualizing looking like a child.
She doesn’t need that image and it’s concerning to a grown adult female presenting person like me.
I am no bot.
Mind you in the article they determine they couldn’t determine it was bots lol.
There was 4-5 articles released, within the same hour, on this topic defending her. Her teams paid good money. Cosmopolitan even changed their twitter profile picture to a doll version of her.
Throughout the various articles they claimed mini dresses as babydoll dresses and dragged other female celebrities into the mix. She’s not giving Courtney Love in the 90s nor fighting against 1950s women’s patriarchy.
I think an adult women wearing bloomers and touching herself in a floral extra short babydoll on stage is weird and many other people did too. People are sensitive, and hyper alert, towards marketing rn because of everything that has been exposed in politics and media rn. They have the right to.
It doesn’t give me bot behavior, tbh. Some of the concern / criticism does feel genuine, and one of those fits did look like children’s PJs. However, there’s a large part of it that feels like it’s fans of other artists blowing this up in the name of fan wars (Billie Eilish is dealing with the same crap right now).
the influx of (obviously pr) stories defending olivia wearing a babydoll dress is crazy. not everything is bots, i witnessed in real time fandoms start up this discourse which has gotten us to this point. a lot of it IS fandom wars
but also let’s honest babydoll dresses can be cute but you have to be careful because it’s very easy to look like a grown woman wearing toddler clothing. and ngl olivias spotify performance kinda gave that. and no, olivias recent style is nothing in comparison to courtney love or allison wolfe 😭
The dresses don’t bother me; I completely get the Courtney Love and 1970s influences.
What bothers me is the deliberate showing of the really short bloomers, because that really is a garment that is associated with very young children. I know bloomers are trending, but when it’s bloomers AND a babydoll dress AND “flashing,” it’s just way too juvenile.
why does it feel like every outlet has released an article defending this (and completely missing the point) in the past 24hrs…smells like pr..
It feels almost insulting to use “it was a bot smear campaign!!”, something we know happened to Amber Heard and probably Blake Lively and caused incredible harm, to cover your ass from bad press. Bots are not being used to slander your album, people just genuinely hated it. They’re not being used to trash your dress, people just have opinions.
Counterpoint: it does not.
I was really excited for this album, I became a fan after guts and I like seeing the fervor of new music excitement. I thought some choices around the wall painting were a little ill thought out, but nothing major especially once I saw the album cover which I loved. Then I made the mistake of watching the drop dead MV first and it turned me off the song for a bit because I really disliked the video partially because of the outfit, and partially because the video felt like a missed opportunity. And it felt like the roll outs just gone down hill since then. The dresses are uncomfy for me, the weird post about how to game the system, I’m not a big fan of the variant discourse but I will say hers feels egregious.
This weekend when the Spotify billions performance popped up I finally decided to ask my husband what he thought. I haven’t told him any of the discourse because it wasn’t a big deal and so I wanted to get his reaction to that performance. He immediately asked what the hell was going on and said he didn’t feel comfortable with it. At a certain point it’s not just bots. It’s people’s real feelings especially in the modern climate we live in.
The babydoll dresses are fine. But can someone from her camp explain why she continually raises her dresses to show off her ruffled bloomers?
I’m not a bot, just a 43 year old woman who is tired of other grown women trying to look like sexy babies.
Her fans spent a year calling Sabrina Carpenter a pedo-baiter for this exact look so this “bot” excuse just isn’t going to cut it. If anything her fans incessant need to fan the flames against Sabrina led to or at least heavily contributed to this
Now I don’t think either woman necessarily deserve backlash over this but it’s interesting that there was never this much blatant PR defense for Sabrina when she was facing the same criticism, if not more so, for a much longer window
It’s just the modern equivalent of the satanic panic that occurred in the 80s or the Illuminati conspiracies that was popular in the 2010s. Now cause of Epstein and the drake and Kendrick beef people are obsessed with accusing every and anyone of being a pedophile or catering to pedophiles (sexy baby). It’s really annoying and stupid
I mean, I’m certainly not outraged, but infantilization makes me ~very~ uncomfortable. I am not a bot. And I do love Olivia Rodrigo. I have no beef with her, but with her management team.
It’s not the dresses. It’s the bloomers. Whoever on her team is styling her for this album cycle is a moron.
Being critical of this isn’t bot behavior. Is it online behavior? Sure. Your average person watching the performances or the MV to “Drop Dead” probably doesn’t have much of an opinion about it. But fans and folks online are calling out the poor styling with good reason.
“Drop Dead” is a fucking banger and filmed in *Versailles* of all places… Absolutely amazing. Yet her outfit keeps it from being a truly amazing MV. I can’t enjoy the it without constantly thinking about how bad her outfit is.
Wearing girly clothes ≠ trying to appease pedos.
This is regressive and feeds into misogynistic views towards women’s style choices
My potentially hot take here is that I don’t have an issue with the dresses for “sexualizing childhood” or whatever people are claiming, I just think they’re ugly lol
Honestly they don’t even look childish at all to me, they remind me of old lady (and old timey) nightgowns more than anything. And obviously pedophilia is a huge and serious issue but I feel like a lot of the “internet activism” around it has reached the point of doing more harm than good, like people last week calling Laufey’s (also ugly imo but perfectly age appropriate) dress “pedo bait”
No we are just all over the “sexy baby” schtick…. minus Sydney Sweeney
This feels like the industry doing what they did during the Drake/Meek + ghostwriting stuff came out in 2016
The industry likes to protect it’s high-return investments and it’s doing that here with Olivia
Raise your hand if you’re not a bot and you don’t like “sexy baby” fashion ✋
Not everything is bots. Some people just genuinely don’t like her outfits.
I saw the outfit in a post here and independently felt uncomfortable with the juxtaposition of the very young coded outfit and the sexualized moves.
Thirty years ago no one would have blinked. But now we’re holding men who groom and abuse teen girls accountable and it just seems in poor taste. A slightly different cut in the outfit or a different stage move and it would be fine.
My issue with it is very specifically the combination of the two.