>I’m really relieved that it has sparked as much discourse as it has, and kind of shocked! What I can tell you is I hated him for a long time. I would get the scripts and I would understand in theory what it was. For the first few episodes, I remember feeling that I was missing some key component of him — that I understood how he was but not necessarily all of why he was. Eventually I got a better picture of why Ogilvie is in the story that he represents and I think that that’s a really current conversation politically and topical in our world. Then I had sympathy and that opened my heart to him.
>It was just after the midpoint of the season. I emailed [R.] Scott [Gemill], the showrunner — who’s a genius and so generous with his time with us — a question about where all these lessons go. Ogilvie is a literal learner; he would have all these big events that he takes a lesson from and then he goes back to trying to impress. Initially, I was like, oh, he’s not learning. But I was like, that can’t be right. Otherwise, he’s not really a person if they go through this degree of experience and not be affected by it. It’s one day, right? He’s bound by the confines of how much a person can grow in the course of one day. He doesn’t want to show that this is affecting him. He’s actually quite a softie. He’s really, really sensitive. He experiences a lot of self-loathing. He’s a perfectionist. He holds himself to an impossible standard and everything that to somebody else would appear to be a lesson, to him is like a personal failure: “I should have known this thing already.”
>I thought that he would be disliked. I’m surprised by how much he is disliked. I felt like the part was not quite big enough to stir up as much as he did, but I’m honored that it has. That’s a testament to the writers. My worry is this, that people are too on board the meme of hating Ogilvie to the point where should substantial change come, their heart would be closed to it for him. That’s my concern going on in the back of my head.
hutch01 on
Is the show really that good? What other show could it be compared to?
Upbeat_Tension_8077 on
That zoo comment he made in the last episode was hilarious while also sounding tone deaf lol.
It’s crazy to see how unlikeable Ogilvie has been made to look so far in the season. I couldn’t help but think he must have some type of mental or behavioral condition he has on the low that he’s trying to work through
Paddlesons on
A one dimensional character that comes off as a heartless knowitall. No kind of sympathetic backstory just a relentless one upper that everyone knows and can’t stand. Seriously, what is there to like about him at this point?
spaceraingame on
Yeah I never liked him either lol. He just seems way too smug
guesting on
People pretend like he’s a real person to get mad at and forget the writers made him do and say everything
band-of-horses on
I thought the entire point of his character was that he was an unlikeable guy…
ComputerDecent463 on
He’s so much better than the Asian student. She’s annoying.
a_rabid_anti_dentite on
At first Ogilvie seemed decent and down to earth, while Joy seemed like the real jerk. But now Joy has turned out to be stellar (if a little prickly) while Ogilvie literally does not think before he speaks, ever.
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>I’m really relieved that it has sparked as much discourse as it has, and kind of shocked! What I can tell you is I hated him for a long time. I would get the scripts and I would understand in theory what it was. For the first few episodes, I remember feeling that I was missing some key component of him — that I understood how he was but not necessarily all of why he was. Eventually I got a better picture of why Ogilvie is in the story that he represents and I think that that’s a really current conversation politically and topical in our world. Then I had sympathy and that opened my heart to him.
>It was just after the midpoint of the season. I emailed [R.] Scott [Gemill], the showrunner — who’s a genius and so generous with his time with us — a question about where all these lessons go. Ogilvie is a literal learner; he would have all these big events that he takes a lesson from and then he goes back to trying to impress. Initially, I was like, oh, he’s not learning. But I was like, that can’t be right. Otherwise, he’s not really a person if they go through this degree of experience and not be affected by it. It’s one day, right? He’s bound by the confines of how much a person can grow in the course of one day. He doesn’t want to show that this is affecting him. He’s actually quite a softie. He’s really, really sensitive. He experiences a lot of self-loathing. He’s a perfectionist. He holds himself to an impossible standard and everything that to somebody else would appear to be a lesson, to him is like a personal failure: “I should have known this thing already.”
>I thought that he would be disliked. I’m surprised by how much he is disliked. I felt like the part was not quite big enough to stir up as much as he did, but I’m honored that it has. That’s a testament to the writers. My worry is this, that people are too on board the meme of hating Ogilvie to the point where should substantial change come, their heart would be closed to it for him. That’s my concern going on in the back of my head.
Is the show really that good? What other show could it be compared to?
That zoo comment he made in the last episode was hilarious while also sounding tone deaf lol.
It’s crazy to see how unlikeable Ogilvie has been made to look so far in the season. I couldn’t help but think he must have some type of mental or behavioral condition he has on the low that he’s trying to work through
A one dimensional character that comes off as a heartless knowitall. No kind of sympathetic backstory just a relentless one upper that everyone knows and can’t stand. Seriously, what is there to like about him at this point?
Yeah I never liked him either lol. He just seems way too smug
People pretend like he’s a real person to get mad at and forget the writers made him do and say everything
I thought the entire point of his character was that he was an unlikeable guy…
He’s so much better than the Asian student. She’s annoying.
At first Ogilvie seemed decent and down to earth, while Joy seemed like the real jerk. But now Joy has turned out to be stellar (if a little prickly) while Ogilvie literally does not think before he speaks, ever.
He’s the Joffrey of The Pitt