all hate nowadays is stronger than before.. especially on the internet.
2000s internet was the wild west, but imho in weird ways more friendly and chill.
Cryptic1911 on
Maybe make a show that doesn’t suck and they won’t hate on it
Douglasqqq on
No-one owes liking something you make to you.
cypher50 on
The hate isn’t more powerful, it is more *accessible*. Even in TNG days, you would only hear the depths of fandom at a convention or fanzine…now, social media makes seeing and hearing the hate as easy as logging into TikTok or Twitter.
Ada_Pearce on
He’s a good st director, I have no idea how he looked at the script for this show and thought it was something he should attach his name to
BILLCLINTONMASK on
The content is dimensionally worse than anything TNG or classic trek as a whole put out. Maybe run that through your tricorder
Jelop on
He’s not wrong at all. But at the same time, modern trek shows (besides lower decks, and I know nothing about this one) are hot garbage and it is quite sad
Honesty_Addict on
In this thread, star trek fans proving him right
Sarabando on
back in the 80s you couldnt see it, if some one hated your show you might see a review or a fan letter. You didnt have people who could put out a well produced “tv show” of there own calling out your show.
kon--- on
It’s in part a byproduct by fake praise. When media outlets owned by or working with studios feed the timeline a pile of crap, fans pushback.
That then is compounded when consumate shit-stirers who won’t let an opportunity to be shitty pass them by join in and send the whole thing to another level. Which is elevated firther by anyone involved in the production showing up being critical of the fandom.
But of course, it all begins with the product.
Eedat on
Starfleet Academy is a great example of new creators getting ahold of an IP they don’t understand at all or even actively hate and running it into the ground.
I call them IP vultures. They want all the free views and recognition an established IP brings, but don’t care at all about the IP. Instead they just write whatever unrelated garbage they were going to anyway that would not get any traction without attaching themselves to said IP.
rolltied on
Haven’t seen a ton of lower decks hate. Maybe the “hate” is relatively proportional to the quality?
Surturius on
i mean… next gen was good though
JOKER69420XD on
Is it “fan hate” when saying a show sucks ass or rather pointing out that the entire franchise is being completely destroyed by talentless people for a very long time?
Thisbymaster on
The show was changed to appeal to the younger audiences so don’t pander to the old audience which is vocal about not liking it. Not everything is for you
ValeLemnear on
There is some sort of entitlement and hubris on the side of these writers, producers and studios who think that something not being popular is the fault of the customer/audience and never one of the product.
Calling someone a „troll“ is a defamatory language and blatant attempt to discredit, frame and stage alleged ill-will, while I am convinced that feedback is always a sign of people being invested.
Star Trek, its writers and last but not least the IP-holder shouldn’t fear (bad) reactions but the lack of it, because that would mean that no one gives a fuck about the product/franchise anymore.
great_divider on
I think Starfleet Academy is great. Haters gonna hate, man.
Drixzor on
It’s fact.
It’s true.
It really happened.
It’s real.
pampersdelight on
Because a bunch of dorks online have nothing better to do with their lives than complain about pop culture
danmanx on
The extreme minority of those hateful, evil comments are always magnified by the corporation.
We are forced to accept poor storylines, lack of character development, and canon breaking crap. Star Trek is not Star Wars. It’s never going to be “hip”, “in”, “pop” or have “rizz”. It was a nerds paradise. Now, it’s just crap.
Do people give things the same chance as 1987? Probably not with being able to write comments in real time and not well, thought-out letters. I’m so sick of hearing that the entire fanbase is wrong or they are racist. Like how the hell can you even state that when we’re just speaking about the show? I find it so offensive. Star Trek needs writers and people that care. Nobody seems to care about the product, certainly not the producers.
Smooth_Tell2269 on
Who remembers usenet and the Derek Smart flame wars?
klagan73 on
this is a distraction. it is NOT like for like. the shit they put on screen for us is nigh baiting us i to polarisation especially over beloved franchises steeped in history and enjoyed by generations before us.
the storylines do not fit in the franchises. youre going to spend the money anyway so call it something else. and i get you own it wnd can do what you like with itbut you cannot then complain when ppl can – legitimately – critique it. if you want to call it review bombing to make you feel better and protect your fragile egos and smooth brqins then go for it. but this is art. you have no say in how others interpret it.
and also dont forget. YOU are selling something. if the customer dont like it, it aint the customer who is at fault.
ffs. huge ego, brittle stars protecting the money well.
MetaTrombonist on
Entitled adults watching shows made for kids and decrying how “bad” they are, assuming that every TV show is made for them.
OkMode3746 on
Uh everyone waited this long just to be baited by somehow a worse script, and movies that make less sense. Giving everyone what they don’t want by pandering to people who don’t care about star wars. Yeah of course the hate is worse.
DarthWoo on
Back in the day you had to actually go to the effort of picking up a piece of paper and handwriting your vitriol or typing it on a real keyboard and printing it. Then you had to put it in an envelope and mail it somewhere.
Haters just thrive when they can be lazy.
WeLoveYouCarol on
I’m not watching Starfleet Dawson’s Creek
Tiny-Setting-8036 on
Man, I don’t even watch Star Trek shows but the snarky tone of the responses on this thread go to strongly prove his point.
LawlessLumberLord on
Yeah well the show fuckin sucks so maybe don’t write garbage?
Flipnotics_ on
Starfleet academy is just a kind of Star Trek that isn’t canon like the Abrams Star Trek movies aren’t canon. Just fun fan fiction silliness.
When viewed at that angle, it makes viewing and tolerating it much much better and easier.
Still waiting for quality shows like OG Trek (Next gen, DS9, Voyager) to come back.
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all hate nowadays is stronger than before.. especially on the internet.
2000s internet was the wild west, but imho in weird ways more friendly and chill.
Maybe make a show that doesn’t suck and they won’t hate on it
No-one owes liking something you make to you.
The hate isn’t more powerful, it is more *accessible*. Even in TNG days, you would only hear the depths of fandom at a convention or fanzine…now, social media makes seeing and hearing the hate as easy as logging into TikTok or Twitter.
He’s a good st director, I have no idea how he looked at the script for this show and thought it was something he should attach his name to
The content is dimensionally worse than anything TNG or classic trek as a whole put out. Maybe run that through your tricorder
He’s not wrong at all. But at the same time, modern trek shows (besides lower decks, and I know nothing about this one) are hot garbage and it is quite sad
In this thread, star trek fans proving him right
back in the 80s you couldnt see it, if some one hated your show you might see a review or a fan letter. You didnt have people who could put out a well produced “tv show” of there own calling out your show.
It’s in part a byproduct by fake praise. When media outlets owned by or working with studios feed the timeline a pile of crap, fans pushback.
That then is compounded when consumate shit-stirers who won’t let an opportunity to be shitty pass them by join in and send the whole thing to another level. Which is elevated firther by anyone involved in the production showing up being critical of the fandom.
But of course, it all begins with the product.
Starfleet Academy is a great example of new creators getting ahold of an IP they don’t understand at all or even actively hate and running it into the ground.
I call them IP vultures. They want all the free views and recognition an established IP brings, but don’t care at all about the IP. Instead they just write whatever unrelated garbage they were going to anyway that would not get any traction without attaching themselves to said IP.
Haven’t seen a ton of lower decks hate. Maybe the “hate” is relatively proportional to the quality?
i mean… next gen was good though
Is it “fan hate” when saying a show sucks ass or rather pointing out that the entire franchise is being completely destroyed by talentless people for a very long time?
The show was changed to appeal to the younger audiences so don’t pander to the old audience which is vocal about not liking it. Not everything is for you
There is some sort of entitlement and hubris on the side of these writers, producers and studios who think that something not being popular is the fault of the customer/audience and never one of the product.
Calling someone a „troll“ is a defamatory language and blatant attempt to discredit, frame and stage alleged ill-will, while I am convinced that feedback is always a sign of people being invested.
Star Trek, its writers and last but not least the IP-holder shouldn’t fear (bad) reactions but the lack of it, because that would mean that no one gives a fuck about the product/franchise anymore.
I think Starfleet Academy is great. Haters gonna hate, man.
It’s fact.
It’s true.
It really happened.
It’s real.
Because a bunch of dorks online have nothing better to do with their lives than complain about pop culture
The extreme minority of those hateful, evil comments are always magnified by the corporation.
We are forced to accept poor storylines, lack of character development, and canon breaking crap. Star Trek is not Star Wars. It’s never going to be “hip”, “in”, “pop” or have “rizz”. It was a nerds paradise. Now, it’s just crap.
Do people give things the same chance as 1987? Probably not with being able to write comments in real time and not well, thought-out letters. I’m so sick of hearing that the entire fanbase is wrong or they are racist. Like how the hell can you even state that when we’re just speaking about the show? I find it so offensive. Star Trek needs writers and people that care. Nobody seems to care about the product, certainly not the producers.
Who remembers usenet and the Derek Smart flame wars?
this is a distraction. it is NOT like for like. the shit they put on screen for us is nigh baiting us i to polarisation especially over beloved franchises steeped in history and enjoyed by generations before us.
the storylines do not fit in the franchises. youre going to spend the money anyway so call it something else. and i get you own it wnd can do what you like with itbut you cannot then complain when ppl can – legitimately – critique it. if you want to call it review bombing to make you feel better and protect your fragile egos and smooth brqins then go for it. but this is art. you have no say in how others interpret it.
and also dont forget. YOU are selling something. if the customer dont like it, it aint the customer who is at fault.
ffs. huge ego, brittle stars protecting the money well.
Entitled adults watching shows made for kids and decrying how “bad” they are, assuming that every TV show is made for them.
Uh everyone waited this long just to be baited by somehow a worse script, and movies that make less sense. Giving everyone what they don’t want by pandering to people who don’t care about star wars. Yeah of course the hate is worse.
Back in the day you had to actually go to the effort of picking up a piece of paper and handwriting your vitriol or typing it on a real keyboard and printing it. Then you had to put it in an envelope and mail it somewhere.
Haters just thrive when they can be lazy.
I’m not watching Starfleet Dawson’s Creek
Man, I don’t even watch Star Trek shows but the snarky tone of the responses on this thread go to strongly prove his point.
Yeah well the show fuckin sucks so maybe don’t write garbage?
Starfleet academy is just a kind of Star Trek that isn’t canon like the Abrams Star Trek movies aren’t canon. Just fun fan fiction silliness.
When viewed at that angle, it makes viewing and tolerating it much much better and easier.
Still waiting for quality shows like OG Trek (Next gen, DS9, Voyager) to come back.